it is it was working it looked like
he thank you Terry I'll provide this to
too he said it's
live so it is live yep okay I don't know
if there's a time difference between
YouTube and when we start our meeting
they're saying it five they they're
saying on y thank you ter all right all
right let's let's resume
um uh where where we
at oh um are we all set then um yeah
everybody clear on on the okay all right
um then moving on for approval of the
agenda uh as as
printed I'll entertain a motion I had a
question just only because I didn't see
something on the the the uh agenda was a
followup to the poverty exemption we had
a couple questions from the last meeting
that were not on there um but uh if we
if I can ask them in miscellaneous
business instead that's perfectly fine I
don't I wasn't here I'm not I'm drawing
a blank on the question I can ask I can
ask him right now I mean we had
discussed uh getting the message out on
posting it for the poverty exemption uh
notice on the email or on the website
and then we talked about uh emailing the
um uh the all of the subscribers to the
Tyrone Township email to get a notice
out that of the poverty exemption
program well there is a my understanding
there is a requirement of Law and
whatever those requirements are is what
Alexa does um and I know there's
like I don't know if it's in the paper I
can check on that and email you tomorrow
what it is but there's requirements that
we have to do of course yeah Alexa
shared she came up and shared by Yeah by
law and whatever she's required to do is
what she goes by right and I was and and
I don't want to repeat in addition to
that we had a discussion about reaching
out to the community more and leveraging
our email um capability and our website
so that uh since there was such a low
amount of people taking advantage of it
uh and the times are tough from an
economy perspective well I know it's in
I didn't mean to discuss bring it a
major discussion right now just it was I
was not seeing any responses to that but
we can we can either address
miscellaneous we something we'll we'll
we'll discuss that and then I'll I'll
we'll get something going on that okay
great thank you I
I slip through the cracks yes sir yes
all
right uh so again uh motion for the
agenda approval of the agenda as
printed so moved support all in favor I
iose
okay um Communications um Chuck I I
would just like to clarify a few things
have to do approval of consent agenda oh
I skipped it didn't that y sorry
approval of the consent agenda um
Regular board
minute minutes from January yep from
January
21st
2025 uh everybody okay with those and
the clerk's warrant you got to do both
of them together all right Clerk's
warrants and
bills uh everybody good with both of
those y I make a motion to approve and
place on file support all in favor I I
oppose all right and now moving into the
communications um Chuck I just wanted to
uh clarify uh three items regard one
regarding the
agenda and uh the the township is
legally obligated to post that agenda
correct yes and uh how we post it is is
proper complies with the law y uh
regarding the board packets uh is that
something the township has to do or is
that something we do as a courtesy
that's something you do as a courtesy
okay and then the the last item is uh
the recording of the meeting itself is
that something required by law or is
that something we provide as a courtesy
as well that's something you also
provide as a courtesy um however because
it's on you YouTube or whatever it's
always there yeah yeah so the live
stream as long as it's
working it'll uh it'll be there
recorded okay that was just for
clarification for myself the board and
the residents and the
video
audience so moving on to unless anybody
else has any comments are we good all
right uh public
remarks Scott de White Lake wrote um
medical insurance policy and comparisons
um I'd like to I'm not I'm all for
medical and stuff like that but I would
like to as a citizen have some kind of a
open Forum or a um a meeting where we I
like to really have people go over and
see what's out there and see what we're
looking at for medical insurance so I we
get some heads together and and see how
how efficient this office is we've
talked about that fast and if there's
anything we can do to make sure I I
think they do should have I'm not saying
they shouldn't have medical insurance I
I always thought afflac wasn't a good
thing because you got to be off so long
before you get it anyway and I would
think that money would be better spent
to just give them better coverage um
Historical Society pioner day that's a
good thing
um this litigation with um and you
mentioned the name
Anderson I know there was a lot of stuff
gone out and and Pam was attacked and
and I stuck up I went and got the
information but on the other hand Greg
was right com me Chris Chris was right
we've always asked for more transparency
so when I come to the meeting and I have
I got a a chance to speak I know what
these issues are coming up and I might
have a comment on so that would be nice
if they were a little bit more
transparent but for for Pam to be
attacked I mean that is I think that's
kind of wrong because you know she
didn't do nothing wrong so just a little
more transparency I think that's all
we're asking um other than that um you
know let's try to get this stuff done
all right thank you
Scott I'd like to say something please I
I appreciate that Scott because
some people are confused on the clerk's
role in terms of the agenda for the
Planning Commission I'm not involved
with the Planning Commission I have no
control over the Planning Commission I
am just the messenger when the Planning
Commission has their stuff together Ross
emails it to the clerk's Department we
send it out I have no rules on it
because it's not my department I have
nothing to do with it so I appreciate
you recognizing that and thank you me I
thanks so everyone knows who she's
talking about I should be able to
respond we know know who she's talking
about it's not Janette it's okay it's
not it's not a question Scott thank you
sincere thank you
for
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yeah long do I get three minutes three
three minutes okay Stephanie Booth uh my
husband and I own property on tipsico
lake in Germany Road um little update
from WHMI um Livingston County drain
commission reports a sanitary sewer
overflow occurred in the Fenton area
Saturday afternoon according to a
release the Overflow occurred between
1:30 and 4:30 p.m. at the intersection
of NYY and Hogan roads and ran across
both Hogan Road in Old us23 into the
ditches uh Tyrone Township supervisor
Livingston County Health Department and
Eagle were notified the sewer overflow
was the result of a pipe failure with an
estimated discharged of 20 of 20,000
gallons and it gives numbers to contact
so that was worth noting cuz those roads
are both brought up at the Planning
Commission meetings um so I I definitely
think it's worth noting um also the
Livingston post has a recent article
about
um uh not the commissioner here for this
um Township um however he is in a big
dispute with the drain commissioner um
it maybe they all are I don't know but
you you ought it's worth your while to
note um that there is a big deal going
on a lot of dispute at a higher level
for the county with the Drain
Commission uh and essentially um County
Commissioners um so I it's worth your
while to know it um I find it little bit
weird and and somewhat inappropriate
Maybe I'm Wrong um but like why are you
like last time I was here you said there
was only one person that brought up a
tax hardship or or applying for that um
what what's uh what's the big concern
with trying to uh push for this isn't
that a good thing that people are paying
their taxes why are you pandering to um
people that you know hey guess what you
can get out of it like don't we need
taxes for our roads and such um so I
find that a little awkward um and
interesting and I I think it's an area
for me anyway of concern um so I'll get
that out of the way I don't know what
her role is but I find her uh
Interruption and I feel it's wrong that
she should be interrupting public
speakers I've watched many of the videos
and I think it's highly
inappropriate um that being said like I
said keep an eye on the things going on
at a higher level the timing of this uh
pipe um this drainage I really think
it's worth your while to check it out uh
you know we're taxpayers we we deserve
good
representation that's all I'm going to
say for now thank
you thank you Stephanie thank
you I leave on the cler with the article
thank
you all right anybody else
Janette Janette Retta Tyrone Township
resident I love when people show up to a
couple meetings never been here and
they're going to um call me out for my
actions when they have no idea what I've
dealt with with the previous board
calling me a liar yelling at me uh
making faces at me rolling their eyes
etc etc so um hey somebody else can get
up and talk about me I can defend all
right let agenda let's stay to the
agenda and
stay to the agenda please so but you
just didn't make everybody else stay to
the agenda so also someone else okay
that's fine I'll sit down The rules are
not for everyone Pam gets to talk from
her position of power everybody knows
who she's talking
about uh is there anybody
else yeah Kurt
her
Schult I'm a Silver Lake Estates number
two and I'd like to address the closed
meetings that the board is going to go
into um first of all I want to thank the
the board for those people who voted for
censure on people um that that took a
lot of a lot of uh effort and it also
was uh there was a lot of pressure
applied so you did the right thing just
so you know
that um I guess the the thing that I'm
taking a look at is we're being sued by
a board member two board
members
now that's really physically
responsible that's how we're going to
have to pay
for a lawsuit that is filed against us
your jobs here are riskmanagement and
you are not a risk manager you are
causing the risk
here and
you when you get into a power grab like
has gone on here where you try to
pressure people off of the Planning
Commission and you send a letter as
board
members indicating that it had come from
the
board Kurt this is not on the agenda
what aren't you going to go into a
closed session on
it no we're going into a closed session
for the Anderson Tyrone Township but we
didn't announce what it was well I will
right now that we're not going into that
closed session for that okay so so I'll
pass second thank
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bill so my concern is uh the sewer
drainage that happened um that water
flows directly into my
Lake um I want to know what's being done
about it or if it was contained
or is it part of the lake
now can you call me tomorrow yeah wait
call me and I'll give you the right
people to talk to okay okay I I'm going
to be at a meeting Thursday morning with
that whole group but I do not have a
report from the health department yet I
know that the pipe has been fixed
and that they have done some
something to The Pump Station to
mitigate some of the uh odors but I do
not know all the details okay um
Jennifer was working with Frank to try
to get him here tonight to explain the
details but he had a previous commitment
because of the short notice so hopefully
he'll be here at our next board meeting
to give you uh more details and in the
meantime her and I are still trying to
bring it all together okay thank you all
right Bill y
y anybody
else yeah
Dave good
evening a little bit late I apologize
for that I was supposed to
meet M kanteti from EMS here this
evening she was going to make a
presentation on behalf of EMS actually
she is uh we are meeting with
her tomorrow tomorrow oh yeah her and
her associate yes we're going to go over
that whole and then we'll have it for
the board at the next meeting that would
be good listen I'm here to wish you all
uh good luck in this new Endeavor you
know there's uh County government and
and uh local government at the township
level
sometimes a very
challenging uh occupation so to speak
and it doesn't always run smoothly but I
think with the effort that you're
putting forth you'll be rewarded with
your own success and if at any time I
can be of any help to you please don't
hesitate to contact me all right good
thanks Dave good
evening I know that wasn't on the agenda
but he's our commissioner
all
right
um unfinished
business I would just like to make a uh
uh uh a short statement in regards to
the Hogan Road we talked about it at the
last board meeting um putting together a
study we had Gerald fiser uh had
extensive comment and um tomorrow uh h
and McKenna our planner and myself and
Ross are are meeting to move that
forward and try to get some kind of a a
study spec together so people aren't
just wandering all over and they we get
them
focused um that's it for unfinished
business anything think somebody else
has something no I was just going to say
based on the comment about the sewage
break we should add add to that list
when talking to fiser and McKenna to
look at the engineering of the road and
whether the truck traffic had a direct
impact on that sewage line
breaking sorry that was just a note I
just took based on that so that's a good
point all right thanks
Chris all right so I'll move into new
business and uh item one on the agenda
the employee medical insurance policy
and
comparisons um assuming you've all had a
chance to look at
that so I'd like to speak on that for a
minute here to get our figures
straightened out sure um what's in our
package here for this rate renewal and
the change in that First Column I
apologize you're 3 minutes is whoops
we're
done so in the leftand column you'll see
the total annual premium was
$28,495
32 so that number is not accurate and
the total billable members at the top
where it says 10 that is not accurate
that was accurate for December January
February and March however um we had
another employee that was on the policy
for January all the way through November
and we were paying
$1,682
23 per month in addition to that
10,746 right here so that equals
$1,386 184 that we were paying
um for that and our grand total for a
year would be 148
642
and8 so our actual increase was actually
$494 um
between this cost here in the left
column and the right hand cost so those
numbers don't really reflect what truly
happened due to us having an employee
removed from the polic
see they just have quoted what we are
paying rate at this moment what we're
currently paying right which was only
ban for December and
January so what's the new number then is
that nine then and not
10 no it's actually we had 11 employees
before and now we currently have 10 but
in the leftand column they had put 10
because that's what we're currently at
for December January February and March
billable but we actually had 11
employees for January all the way
through
November so I mean are you going to
restate these numbers then with the or
is is there a restatement of these
numbers that other than just verbalizing
them no I mean I contacted the company
Blue Cross and Blue Shield at first to
confirm that it was what I suspected and
it that's exactly what happened I have
the invoices copies of the invoices that
we have paid and that to confirm all of
this um but I don't put it out in no no
no I I I I'm not arguing about the the
additional employee or anything like
that I'm talking about it sounds like
maybe these renewal numbers are
different then stated it actually right
here in the right hand column that
146
8.08 that is accurate that's the what
going to cost I just wanted to make sure
that that column was the changes weren't
yeah okay that's all I was saying is if
if any needed to be restated based on
those those numbers in the right column
or if that's the correct number I just
wanted to clarify for everyone because
it looks like when you look at that
128 and then you go over and see 146
you're like w that's a $20,000 increase
right that and so I just wanted to
clarify what had actually happened and
that that isn't the true increase the
true increase is actually
$494 okay thanks
mhm in viewing both of these I see that
they're both the same renewal
cost
um but the second one has a larger cost
to the employee as in cop payments MH
does everyone see the same
thing so I make a motion to approve I
have one other question I apologize or
we can we can motion and whatnot but I
still have a couple questions go ahead
um question
the
uh is there any portion of these medical
plans or the medical plan that's paid by
the employee no no okay so it's 100%
100% funded by
the yep okay in the second one I saw
that on page seven of
the
Acure presentation pardon me the did I
get that right um it's that uh based on
the current one uh the numbers lined up
on page seven of that quote um is
they're also quoting it looks like the
same amount from a dollar value
perspective in the renewal SE section
the second column
right and but there's uh is there a
difference between those plans that that
you know of between the current the all
the numbers look the same the only one
that looked different was the title that
showed that the renewal the increase was
including elective abortions with
elective abortion in the title but I
don't know what that means well I think
the current and the renewal on the and
on that plan are the same um other than
the totals going
up the amount of money and and the Cod
payments versus what we have right now
okay because the plan titles were
different I just didn't know if the
increase was due to adding elective
abortions from the title No which which
I'm not in favor of a government paying
for that but
um I think that would be an important
element
woman come on okay I make a motion to
approve um Blue Cross Blue Shield I
second all in favor I I and
oppose all right
Historical Society
yep uh moving on to new business number
two the Historical Society requests to
use the township hall and the property
for the Pioneer
Day so th this will be their third one
yeah um they utilize our property there
haven't been any issues um in the past
and they do hold a policy um through
Heartland Insurance company for the
event um that they're carrying the
liability rather than the township
carrying the liary for for that event
yes y two days and that's a two-day
event I well they set up Friday to begin
right or one day I don't know next any
of you have been to that but it's it's
pretty fun I've been there a couple
times so and and it uh helps bring uh
some semblance of community for our
Township which is is nice so it'll be a
Saturday and a Sunday correct then no no
I take it's just Saturday the 19
Saturday and then tear down
okay Saturday and what's those dates
July 19th 18th 18th
is the setup then the event is on the
19th and then they'll tear down on the
19th July 19th right 18th and 19th
Friday and Saturday and we didn't have
anything on the calendar previously
going on great all right make a motion
to approve
second I have
support all right all in favor I I
oppose all
right uh item number three is is the
Clos session and um I would like to uh
to move that the Township Board enter
closed session to discuss possible
settlement
strategies regarding the Anderson versus
Tyrone Township lawsuit in Livingston
County Circuit
Court com I have a question do we
do after
after it's going to be short
all right you got a second oh yeah you
made the resolution yes okay I'll second
it Jennifer
second all in favor well we have to do a
roll call roll call y y her Ferguson yes
Greg KS yes Jennifer Eden yes Sarah
dolman Jersey yes Chris Reta yes Dean
hos is not here Pam mler yes
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7353 right and then when we return we'll
cover miscellaneous business and public
remarks
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business we don't have any do no any
more miscellaneous no um just those two
items that I brought up at the yeah the
notice on the poverty exemption poverty
exemption and then um the MailChimp
licenses if we found out the cost of of
those so that we could leverage that as
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of this
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all right um I guess we'll move straight
into the final uh public
remarks yes
Scott my comment earlier wasn't to call
anybody out my Carmart was to point out
that we it's happening in the past when
we had the asphalt
plant some things were said that weren't
right and the think it just blew out
went out of control so and I think the
social media part is great okay so we
get some communication between the board
maybe sometimes sometimes you guys get
some information from us more on that
but I made a comment all I said was I
don't think this is completely right the
comment that was on that was posted
that's all I said and I didn't I didn't
want to add to it because I wanted the
the people up here to explain it to them
not me it's not my place to explain it
and I didn't want to add fuel to the
fire so I wasn't trying to make a fight
with anybody I just knew from my
discussions that it wasn't completely
correct okay so and I know there's
another video out and I know Pam's name
was on it and I'm not going to say
nothing to be mean but this sewer thing
we got to get find out what the problem
was it goes back him when B was the
office and so it's gone back people have
notified the county that we had a
problem there okay we know that so let's
get on it let's investigate let's get it
fixed so in the future and I know Greg
you got I mean Chris you got to realize
that when when things are said I mean
I've done it in the past and I apologize
for it and I've called myself wrong is
you got you guys are working together
you're a different position than I am
you're working with these people so if
it comes out you know it just it rubs
their feathers and just like you're mad
they're mad and there's just a lot of
animosity we're not getting nothing
done know it just we got to watch
probably in the future and it's all stun
back from the the Asal plant it just it
just this Township's been on fire since
then it's like a burning and burning and
burning and I'm I'm I'm going to say
this again and it's going to come up the
next meeting is I don't like the fact
what's going on and I'm not I'm not
going to accept what happened okay and I
think you guys need to come forward and
take responsibility so I will tell you
that and not Sue the township you're
suing the people so I'll leave that one
alone now when it comes to
um this issue you guys just went in they
moving about I've split
property I sold real
estate all of our Lakes are out here are
all developed okay we've had people for
years coming out here buying these
little little Cottages or smaller homes
and want to make castles out them well
I'm under the understanding in my brain
is you buy that house there's an
established Sidelines okay and they want
to come in and reestablish their sight
lines okay and and that that's a tricky
situation because they're already
established by the existing homes so
legally I don't know Chuck where you're
where you come out for that but I think
that's a pretty good guideline of how we
should handle sight lines okay The
Establishment it's EST you they've
already been established and in the
future maybe we can work on a little
better our stuff all right thanks
Scott all
right uh
sure Kevin Pierce uh Hogan Road uh I
think when you guys have your meeting I
I really believe that you need to go to
Deerfield Township and get the special
land use
permits uh on the existing Gravel
Pit uh there's a lot of things that he's
doing that's not according to his
special land use permits and the problem
with that is is call them an ordinance
call them wherever you want to there's
nobody to enforce them so the road
started out as 39 trucks a day and it's
evolved to 150 trucks a day legally some
days there're more some days less but
coating Hogan Road with gallons and
gallons of calcium chloride every week
is not a way to get rid of the problem
the problem is people have to shovel
dust off the porches it's not safe
they've taken a 25 M hour Zone increased
it to 55 miles an hour there's no
enforcements from the
sheriff's uh so I I think it's it's
going to be pretty valid for you to pick
up that special land use permit to get
there because if you have a
meeting with someone that knows all the
rules you're going to walk away just
like we walked in there he's going to
tell you he's doing everything right and
nothing's going to get changed it wasn't
until Mr fiser mentioned some of the
things that these new proposed uh
extraction plants are doing it's what's
happening on Hogan Road for the last 10
years so it makes you a little bit
thinking hey something's going to happen
uh you know the the road is
overloaded with people driving from the
modular home park and also I mean
there's 400 and someone houses going out
of there every morning and and I know
that they made them PVE or drive to the
doorstep but they don't use it and the
gravel trains even in the the cold
season it was 22 de last week 60 trucks
came down that road on Wednesday and so
uh Mr fiser was saying yeah you got some
time to work on this 60 60 trucks a day
in the cold season so those trucks are
all getting dispatched from a a mass
producer and they're picking up gravel
and they don't care how they get it so
you know it's 7 o'clock in the morning
till 4: every day so it'd be nice to be
informed of what you're going to argue
about before you actually get there Mr
Fisher said that that consent agreement
was as as much tyone Township's deal the
gravel plant and the road commission so
equally the three people need to decide
what to do on that
road thanks well when I have that U uh
meeting with those guys tomorrow I I'll
talk to them about the deputy clerk at
dear Township I for she's handed over
all right I I'll thank you for the Ino
would it be possible I just have a quick
question would it be possible since you
Hogan wrote would it be possible to come
to this meeting tomorrow it's just
between you and uh it's preliminary no
okay thank
you yes
Stephanie Stephanie Booth longtime
Livingston County resident um
okay here's another
thing um Chris here just said that or I
shouldn't maybe address by name but what
did he just say
um isn't that a violation of hippaa if
he's like telling the insurance company
or wanting to know how much of the money
went to elective
abortions and is that his business on
this supposedly nonpartisan board to be
partisan in that manner
um it's appalling to me that he would do
that Acure is an insurance company to my
knowledge and aren't they required under
laws by Hippa not to reveal those things
how inappropriate that he even asked
that
um yeah I think that's it I mean the the
hits keep coming keep them up
J Tyrone Township um I'll just say that
I don't believe it's uh against HIPPA
laws to ask what an insurance company
covers but it is an insurance company
that believes in killing babies so there
you go okay um
my comment tonight is about a memo that
was written by Foster Swift who is a law
firm that represents Tyrone Township for
renewable energy issues there are two
new house bills being introduced and
they will help to restore local control
of zoning in Michigan I hope the the
board knows about this um why are these
Bill new bills needed because last
November PA 233 became law which strips
townships of their Authority for
projects like solar wind and battery
storage and Lancing and claims we still
have control but only if our ordinances
agree with their demands so that's not
Choice that's dictatorship also you may
be aware that President Trump is doing
all he can to stop the renewable energy
scam but Michigan is not out of danger
yet one reason being Jennifer granholm
the outgoing Energy Secretary just
gifted Michigan 14 billion to further
develop green Energy Products and she
did this on her way out of office in
this memo Fosters Swift um you'll see a
quote from a Michigan Township
supervisor so uh that's an important
example to all officials to speak up
about this issue now if some of you feel
this subject is too political to get
involved in let me remind you you hold a
political office uh position you were
elected to protect and represent the
people you should also know that more
than 80% of Michigan residents from all
political parties want our local
governments to have zoning control and
this so this is a nonpartisan issue
there's three things I'd like to ask the
board the first one to Greg Greg I'd
like you to make I would hope that you
would make a public statement as a
supervisor to support these two new
bills and also from the whole board a
commitment U from the township to
communicate to the residents regarding
these new bills this would be in O the
exact opposite of what we did with PA
233 the board didn't do anything
regarding that um and then number three
create a resident committee to lead an
awareness campaign to include um
emailing and calling our legislators and
basically Community awareness now the
resident committee is long overdue and
this issue I believe would be a perfect
opportunity to demonstrate how a
committee like this could work with
board
oversight um I do have a question to ask
all of you I know the law says you don't
have to answer me right but the law
doesn't say that you can't answer me
okay will you commit to to keeping
residents I'm sure you guys know about
this because it's a huge deal but will
you commit to keeping residents updated
on these house bills will you write your
own letters and personally contact
legislators on the subject thereby
representing yourselves as both
residents and as Township
representatives and will you work
towards creating a resident committee
with board
oversight would anyone like to commit to
that I will
may may I ask you a question can I um
reach out to you and we can discuss that
in more detail I will send this whole
thing to the whole board I just uh
really would hope that the board will
get behind this these two particular I
would just like to talk to you a little
bit more detail about that sure okay um
so for those of you that weren't able to
speak up again the law doesn't say that
you can't say that you would support
your community and support what's right
I hope you'll change your minds thank
you
are there any other public
comment all
right I guess I'm looking for a uh
motion to adjourn so moved all in favor
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